Discussion in 'Leftovers Forum' started by Mirinquads, May 25, 2015.

  1. Will

    Will Administrator Staff Member

    Guilty as charged. I read the main books and some of the offshoots.
    Also played the dragonlance games and got my hands on some of the comics.

    Like you said, unsure if they would stand the test of time.

    The other series I use to read when I was younger was the GOR series. I loved it at the time because I could read some thinly veiled fantasy porn mixed with a good dose of carnage. In hindsight my delicate younger eyes were probably scared from some of the depictions.

  2. Das Jax

    Das Jax Member

    Hah, I've never heard of the Gor series, but I like the honesty ;)
  3. Das Jax

    Das Jax Member

    Classic Russian novels are dense as balls... but there's still a definite narrative. The Prince is more akin to a text book. Both the Iliad and Odyssey are more accessible than some of the standard Russian Works (Brother's Karamazov, Anna Karanina, War and Peace, etc.)... but not by much. Like I said, there are soooo many more accessible classics that are amazing books that you should read before trying to digest those giant tomes. I'm not saying you shouldn't read them, I personally enjoy them a lot, it's just that they're so hardcore that I'd worry you'd burn out and give up. Hit up those Jack London novels I mentioned. I have yet to find someone who wasn't at least a little blown away by Seawolf.

    Also, for the record, I couldn't disagree with TNG more. I've read a lot of books in my day and I invariably find that the vast majority of classics are well-worth their reputation. The three exceptions (in my very subjective opinion, of course) are Catcher in the Rye, Of Mice and Men, and The Great Gatsby... maybe Sound and Fury as well. These three books (especially CITR) get so much praise and I think they're overrated garbage.
  4. I'm not sure how much more I could disagree with you, either, since not only do I think plenty of classics lack any sort of appeal beyond their status, (no idea why anyone would want to subject themselves to, say, Gone With the Wind beyond wanting to stroke their own egos), but the Sound & the Fury is one which I'd highlight particularly. Amazing novel, one of the best. Lots of people dislike Catcher in the Rye but I've always enjoyed it.
  5. Mirinquads

    Mirinquads Active Member Staff Member

    Love to stroke my ego til it's nice and engorged. Then i march around and slap things in my domicile around with it.
    Will check out the dystopia you mentioned, I think this genre is sorely lacking in most other media. I guess because it can obviously be depressing as shit, but the possibilities are endless within it.
  6. Das Jax

    Das Jax Member

    Sound and Fury has its defenders... I'm just not one of them. Having said that, it's nowhere near as bad as CITR. If you really want to defend the rambling inner monologue of a whiny rich kid and his half-hearted attempts at naval gazing, I'm more than willing to read your thoughts, but I have yet to meet anyone who's opinion I respected that would defend it. I'm actually somewhat convinced that the only reason anyone's even heard of the damn book is because Salinger became a recluse and, most importantly, people had to read it when they were freshman/sophomores in high school. Not being actual readers, they just latch onto it because they're familiar with it and they think it gives them some sort of gravitas to claim it as a personal favorite (in the same way people often claim to be hardcore Bob Dylan fans).

    I've never read Gone With the Wind, but I'd be surprised to hear it referred to as a classic. When I use that word myself, I'm more or less referring to the books that make up the Western Canon (for those unfamiliar: as well as maybe a few other titles of more recent significance. I'm curious as to what else you've read that you found disappointing?

    Edit: I honestly don't even hate those titles that much (except for CITR), I just think they're overrated and it bothers me that they get so much attention (even now) when so many other worthy titles get overlooked.
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  7. mmaed

    mmaed Member

    Did you enjoy CITR when you were a kid?
  8. You want to see some real fucking dystopia? Watch Now and Then, Here and There. It's one of the most depressing anime I've ever seen though, so be forewarned. Also, watch the sub, not the dub. It's about groups of kids on two separate sides of a battle for water, on a desert planet where there is almost none.

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  9. I'm surprised to hear otherwise.
  10. Mirinquads

    Mirinquads Active Member Staff Member

    Will give it a whirl. If it's sadder than Grave of the Fireflies, I will send you a picture of my engorged Ego.
  11. Das Jax

    Das Jax Member

    Not to knock you, but it's not really talked about that much. It was a popular book in its day, but the only reason it's remembered now is because of the movie. The Wizard of Oz and The Princess Bride would be parallel situations. They're noteworthy in the cultural sense because of the cinema... but not really that significant for their literary merits alone. Again, I'm not saying books of this type aren't good... they're just not classics and I thought that's what we were talking about.
  12. Das Jax

    Das Jax Member

    Nope. Even at 13 I thought Holden was a brat and wondered why we were reading the book.
  13. marzwoody

    marzwoody Active Member

    How is a book considered a "classic" though? like what time frame does it have to be released in to be considered classic? seems silly to me
  14. Das Jax

    Das Jax Member

    Impossible, nothing is sadder than Grave of the Fireflies.
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  15. Das Jax

    Das Jax Member

    Click the link I posted about Western Canon. It should help explain things.
  16. Uh huh. How many classics do you think Gone With the Wind beats out in terms of score on aggregate sites? How many best-of lists does it appear on?

    Wizard of Oz and Princess Bride are completely different situations because they weren't (or, aren't) as highly esteemed. Stupid to argue subjective definitions with you though so I'll stop here.
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  17. Das Jax

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    To be clear, I'm not knocking any of those titles, but the reason anyone's ever heard of them is because they were important movies... not because they were important books.
  18. Mirinquads

    Mirinquads Active Member Staff Member

    Let's not get bogged down with what's classics or not. I really not care a whole lot about critics and their definition of shit, they are even worse then music nerds arguing over whether a song is minimal deep tech or dark tech house, no one fucking cares - as long as it's good stuff.

    I read I have no mouth and I must scream -

    SPOILER - dont read unless you read the thing.
    Very heavy religious over tones - Man creates their super computer (Deity, pretty much) for mans purpose (destruction), Deity ends up hating it self, thus hating the whole of man kind as a result. Torture -> Big monkey penis sex -> Torture -> Walk through the valley of tears to your salvation -> Ofcourse no salvation for you them. Basically the biblical jewish story, they get tried over and over, but never achieve salvation (Because this 'god' is created by humanity, thus evil) - Antagonist finally decides to take control, kills off the group members. Is he a hero or a monster conundrum. Condemned to suffer for all eternity as a sightless slobbering blob. I'm guessing this guy isn't a big fan of mankind as a whole. The Author has some serious literary firepower though - Liked the part where the AM entered the protagonist's mind, that was really uncomfortable to read. Liked his bleak prose kind of style.. I didn't know this guy also wrote A boy and his Dog which I have heard about, I will read that next I think.
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  19. Das Jax

    Das Jax Member

    For the record, I think all Harlan Ellison's shit is pretty creepy and wouldn't recommend it, but he's a fascinating individual and there's an absolutely amazing documentary on him that you should definitely check out if you're interested. Robin Williams, of all people, actually talks about him quite a bit.

    Here's a favorite clip of mine:

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  20. Mirinquads

    Mirinquads Active Member Staff Member

    Creepy indeed, that's the way I like it.

    "I sell my soul, but at the highest rates. I don't take a piss without being paid." Lol, I like this asshole already, not too wrong about him not loving humanity it would seem.

    Do you agree with him Jax? Weren't you in the business?

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